This was a brilliant find on the part of i09. Listen to Bertrand Russell (everyone's favourite agnostic number cruncher) debate the existence of god with F.C. Copleston (a Jesuit) from way back in 1948. These recordings were recently unearthed from the BBC archives. Listening to the recording reminded me of Chamberlin's dialogue on positive & natural law, and the states of belief that emerge from both. In other words, theists and scientists both attempt to glean understanding of observable phenomena through discourses concerned with exploring unobservable phenomena. Neither would disagree about the taste of salt, yet both would come to blows explaining where that taste came from.